February 24, 2004
 

I'm reading soapbox writings on congress.org regarding Bush's proposed ban on homosexual unions and it makes me twitchy.


"Homosexual marriage and Civil Unions are a threat to traditional Marriage, because they alter the definition of family." Isn't everyones definition different? I've always extended my family beyond only blood relatvies to my close friends.


The only remotely good argument against this that I've heard lately is the possibility of people faking same-sex marriages for tax reasons. I don't know enough information to say whether or not I think this would occur any more often than with a regular marriage.


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A News post by kim at 03:55 PM | Comments (16) | Ping (0)
 
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Why are all web-loggers liberal?

The fact is that the Majority of people in America would support banning legalized gay marriages.

Joe E.

Posted by: Joe E. at February 24, 2004 04:21 PM

Just because the majority of the population supports Bush, doesn't mean he's not wrong ;)

Posted by: kim at February 24, 2004 04:36 PM

not all bloggers are liberal, and I'd hesitate to say that a majority of americans would support any issue at all, let alone a political issue. I am quite displeased with the fact that the democratic front runners are either actively against or impartial on the subject, and I'm quite perturbed with the thought that this may turn into a constitutional amendment. I'm a firm believer in family, as I never had one as a child. I believe that many gay couples would in fact be better at raising a child in a constructive environment than the traditional male/female. Anymore, there isn't as strong of a bond. More than half of marriages now result in divorce, and that's a horrible thing for a child of any age to go through. Let's drop the propaganda for a moment and just think about what the conservatives are trying to do here. They're taking away a choice that has no bearing on them whatsoever. If two people want to spend the rest of the lives together, they're going to do so no matter what the consequences. I was watching the news channels this morning and they were all suggesting that this move will divide this issue even further. I know what side I stand on, but I don't think that democracy was founded to quell the voice of the minority. I'm sure that each of us has a part of our lives that would be looked down upon by an outsider, but it's our life to live however we choose to live it.

Bush fucked up, Kerry scares me, and Nader is trying to *again* get on the third party ballot. *facepalms* I hate politics.

Posted by: Bill at February 24, 2004 05:58 PM

"Reality TV is a threat to traditional Marriage, because it alters the definition of family."

Posted by: crackel98 at February 24, 2004 07:50 PM

And, damn it, where's OBL? Shit, people.

And screw 'traditional' marriage vs. 'gay' marriage as an issue. I want to see corporate marriage and the other variants, as practised in Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"

Posted by: Eli Sarver at February 24, 2004 09:12 PM

Being opposed to the idea of marriage in general for anyone, irregardless of sexual orientation ( more in favor of co habitation agreements myself ) I think that homosexuals pretty much have it made as it is. But obviously, the majority has spoken in Massachusetts and California, and I believe in the Jeffersonian principle that the will of the majority honestly expressed must give law. Therefore I support the right of the gays to marry if that is what they choose. Indeed the concept of a constitutional amendment defining what marriage is disturbs me. It disturbs the seperation of church and state, edges our civil constitution towards theocracy, and such an amendment would violate ( as Clinton's 1996 Defense of Marriage Act already does ) the 16th Amendment. I do not believe that the majority of people in this country would support the banning of gay marriage; I believe that right now those who are in power are a vocal minority who are trying to force their narrow and intrusive views upon others.

Posted by: Joshua Aaron Day at February 24, 2004 09:44 PM

Oh see, now you had to go and get my back all up.

First of all, Joe E., the majority of the American people didn't even elect the current President, so I doubt that the majority really care much about gay marriage one way or another.

Secondly, why should we as Americans care who on earth anyone marries? My glory, I don't care if someone marries a man, woman, or barnyard animal so long as they are good people.

Third, and I'm really ramping up now, if anything, you'll find LESS faking of marriages for tax purposes. I happen to know instances of lesbian couple "marrying" a gay couple so they get the same rights and privileges as any straight couple.

Fourth, let's remember that the only objection to same sex marriages is based on religion. Did I miss the part where we changed the Constitution to allow for the state to be run by the religious right?

I am so darn tired of everybody minding everybody else's business. You stay in your own right-wing narrow-minded fascist Bible camp backyard, and I'll stay over here. But don't try to legislate me.

Posted by: pippa at February 24, 2004 11:57 PM

the majority here in california has spoken...

california's defense of marriage act was passed in 2000 as Proposition 22 with 61.4% of the vote. the proposition won in 52 of california's 58 counties.

the proposition made a change to the family code found here, specifically section 308.5

also, a USA TODAY poll indicated that respondents opposed gay marriage by a 2-1 margin.

majority indeed...

Posted by: jeff at February 25, 2004 10:07 AM

"You could outlaw religion and most of these sex crimes will disappear, but we don't have time for rational solutions." - George Carlin

Disclaimer: I don't view homosexuality or homosexual marriages to be sex crimes. The action behind the quote seems to apply here though.

Posted by: CSciCT at February 25, 2004 10:33 AM

Is it me, or is the gay/straight issue starting to grow similar to the black/white issue of the mid-20th century? With the current media trends that somewhat echo the blacksploitation years, the constitutionality of prohibitive laws, and the general feelings of malaise that come over close-knit groups when the issue is brought up...
I mean, what are people really afraid of here?

(side note: straight guys are already starting to adopt gay trends in much the fashion of white guys going ghetto. metrosexuals... quite confusing, if you ask me)

Posted by: Bill at February 25, 2004 01:41 PM

Well, of course, if we are doing a survey of USA Today, National Enquirer, and People Magazine readers, along with say, Dr. Phil watchers, then sure, by all means let's go with the bias.

I'd like to think that there is a balance of folks who like to read actual news and not the tarted-up, oversimplified, pablum-conisistency news put out by Gannett. It's not like USA Today is the thinking person's newspaper.

Posted by: pippa at February 25, 2004 02:12 PM

Jeez... Just what we need, besmirching the Constitution with hate and intolerance again... a perfect end (I hope) to a perfectly dreadful reign by King George II....

Posted by: grendel at February 25, 2004 05:25 PM

I'll all for banning same-sex marriages but I see nothing at all wrong with civil unions, not legally anyway.

Posted by: G at February 27, 2004 03:58 PM

Oh, and I would like to add that it's not just Christians that are against same-sex marriage. Through out time a high majority of all cultures have viewed marriage as being between a man and a woman. So it has absolutely nothing to do wih Puritanical Christians just being prudes.

Posted by: G at February 27, 2004 04:04 PM

Just one comment: Some of us already do fake heterosexual marriages for legal reasons. It's more common than you might think.

Posted by: The Doctor at February 28, 2004 04:51 PM

The way I look at it, who cares. How does this really effect me? It doesn't. Might raise the cost of the health insurance that I don't have anyway.

Why don't they try to fix the real issues with our failing society. Like people having no respect for anybody, common courtesy is out the window. People don't think at all anymore, they just care about themselves.

Heh, and this is coming from somebody that is far right...

Posted by: Ed at March 2, 2004 01:41 AM